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Re: Ironmen / Diversity

By setherick
2/25/2018 7:32 am
raymattison21 wrote:
setherick wrote:
raymattison21 wrote:
setherick wrote:
eyeballll wrote:

I went to the Setherick School of Creative Rostering, then I beat ol Seth in the Championship Game... he's fine with it...


Except in my system, he would be a SS or WLB because of that B&R.


You don't play man for any of those positions ? What's the games logic there?


If they play M2M, they are matched up against a RB. Since RBs don't play on the LOS, B&R is irrelevant.


I see, only cause you calls plays where they are matched vs. The RB ?


Yes -- I work my defensive playbook so that the same positions are matched against the WR3 or WR4 so that I know who is covering the TE at all times. Otherwise, a TE with good SP and B&R Avoid will toss a defender to the side and get wide open in the middle of the field.

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Re: Ironmen / Diversity

By setherick
2/25/2018 7:34 am
The method that I use is detailed here: https://paydirt.myfootballnow.com/community/3/4170?page=1

Re: Ironmen / Diversity

By raymattison21
2/25/2018 7:55 am
setherick wrote:
The method that I use is detailed here: https://paydirt.myfootballnow.com/community/3/4170?page=1


No doubt probably the vest and very effective but I like a little diversity in my defensive playbook( for fun) . Just waiting for that bump and run generation for LBs to catch up . With this adjustment They are turning out to be some very good CBs.

Just like I won't play linemen under six foot...... making sure I didn't miss anything important .

I am still watching guys in man coverage , pending the play match up, just stand there . .....or take forever to see that rb coming out of the backfield .

But really why i was inquiring is That deepest man cover option seems broke. Or the double wr.....

What the logic there if there are in Bump and run?

The cb is the one who bumps? And the safety is in man? It seems they both just get beat. Pending they lose the bump and run logic .

Anything in that senerio you could divulge ?

Re: Ironmen / Diversity

By setherick
2/25/2018 8:22 am
raymattison21 wrote:

No doubt probably the vest and very effective but I like a little diversity in my defensive playbook( for fun) . Just waiting for that bump and run generation for LBs to catch up . With this adjustment They are turning out to be some very good CBs.

Just like I won't play linemen under six foot...... making sure I didn't miss anything important .


I wouldn't get hung up on this. The height generation is off for all positions, and height doesn't control much right now (it's apparent it's not used in Frame either).

raymattison21 wrote:

I am still watching guys in man coverage , pending the play match up, just stand there . .....or take forever to see that rb coming out of the backfield .


Players just standing there at the LOS are usually a result of broken B&R interaction. LBs covering RBs out of the backfield -- I'm almost certain -- rely on SP more than coverage to track the player because they are moving laterally to the LOS. Only once the RB breaks the LOS does coverage become important, but yes, in general, the response time is muted in 0.4.2. It's a little better in 0.4.3, but some of that is about how quickly the QB makes the decision to throw.

raymattison21 wrote:

But really why i was inquiring is That deepest man cover option seems broke. Or the double wr.....

What the logic there if there are in Bump and run?


No idea. I don't use plays where the safety is in Deepest Man. They have never seemed to work right, so I have never bothered looking closely at them.

raymattison21 wrote:

The cb is the one who bumps? And the safety is in man? It seems they both just get beat. Pending they lose the bump and run logic .

Anything in that senerio you could divulge ?


Also not sure since I haven't seen this happen enough to know. I wouldn't be shocked if the B&R roll is happening for both players at the same time.

Re: Ironmen / Diversity

By raymattison21
2/25/2018 8:26 am
setherick wrote:
raymattison21 wrote:

No doubt probably the vest and very effective but I like a little diversity in my defensive playbook( for fun) . Just waiting for that bump and run generation for LBs to catch up . With this adjustment They are turning out to be some very good CBs.

Just like I won't play linemen under six foot...... making sure I didn't miss anything important .


I wouldn't get hung up on this. The height generation is off for all positions, and height doesn't control much right now (it's apparent it's not used in Frame either).

raymattison21 wrote:

I am still watching guys in man coverage , pending the play match up, just stand there . .....or take forever to see that rb coming out of the backfield .


Players just standing there at the LOS are usually a result of broken B&R interaction. LBs covering RBs out of the backfield -- I'm almost certain -- rely on SP more than coverage to track the player because they are moving laterally to the LOS. Only once the RB breaks the LOS does coverage become important, but yes, in general, the response time is muted in 0.4.2. It's a little better in 0.4.3, but some of that is about how quickly the QB makes the decision to throw.

raymattison21 wrote:

But really why i was inquiring is That deepest man cover option seems broke. Or the double wr.....

What the logic there if there are in Bump and run?


No idea. I don't use plays where the safety is in Deepest Man. They have never seemed to work right, so I have never bothered looking closely at them.

raymattison21 wrote:

The cb is the one who bumps? And the safety is in man? It seems they both just get beat. Pending they lose the bump and run logic .

Anything in that senerio you could divulge ?


Also not sure since I haven't seen this happen enough to know. I wouldn't be shocked if the B&R roll is happening for both players at the same time.


Thanks ! I can't wait for the new roll out.